Humbled by Stuttgart

By: ryan_s | October 21st, 2012
   

Things were going swimmingly before the break, as HSV had picked up 10 points from 4 games and had the opportunity this weekend to move into fourth place with a victory. Former coach Bruno Labbadia was in town with the talented but shockingly bad thus far Stuttgart, and the feeling amongst the fan base was that of timid excitement. Stuttgart are a good team that are bound to start winning games, but wouldn’t it be cool to be in fourth?

Anyway, it was not to be. Stuttgart completely outclassed HSV in the first half, with the prolific Ibisevic getting his name on the score sheet. It could have been worse if not for some poor shooting from Stuttgart and some last ditch defending at times. Hamburg did slowly grow into the game and even had a goal correctly disallowed for offsides when Milan Badelj’s hammer from 30 yards hit the post but still fell to the head of Rudnevs, who made no mistake in slotting home. No mistake besides being offsides, that is.

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The second half featured HSV with a lot of possession and a lot of halfway decent shots from distance between Beister and Van der Vaart, but there were very few chances that really put Stuttgart goalie Sven Ulreich under pressure. HSV ended up throwing everyone forward in the hopes to get a point, but in reality HSV were well beaten. Stuttgart could have ended up with three or four in this game, even if HSV could also feel hard done by for not getting on the score sheet.

Player Ratings

Adler – 7.0 – Made some excellent saves, and could do nothing about Ibisevic’s wonderfully placed goal. Distribution was better from the back than in previous weeks as well. Was helped by some defenders throwing themselves in the way of shots and by Stuttgart’s poor finishing.

Diekmeier – 7.5 – I thought Diekmeier played very well today – even if he didn’t quite get forward as much as he may have liked early on. Probably should have been played in on goal by Son in the first half after a wonderful run, but Son unsurprisingly elected to shoot from distance. Won a large amount of his duels and his pace added a lot of cover at the back.

Mancienne – 5.5 – Saw some people thought he had a good game today, but in reality it was very mixed. Looked like a little kid against both Troare and Holzhauer in the box, as both beat him easily on the dribble. Luckily, both of their wide open shots were pretty tame. He also had some absolutely shocking giveaways that were entirely unforced. Otherwise, had some very nice blocks on shots in the box that may have saved a goal, and won many duels.

Westermann – 6.0 – Had a moment here and there of insecurity, but otherwise had some really magnificent tackles. Picked his moments to get forward well, though his end product was lacking. Wasn’t really helped by Jansen in defense and ended up getting overrun at times by Stuttgart’s quick passing.

Jansen – 5.0 – Was helpful in offense in that he got a number of crosses into the box, but as is usually the case with either him or Aogo, they didn’t lead to anything. Was dusted a couple of times on defense, including in the buildup to the goal.

Badelj – 5.5 – Like Mancienne, had a very mixed game. Most of his undeniable class were here and there – his awesome shot off the post was the high point – but also was overrun at times by Stuttgart’s quick attackers and gave the ball away cheaply a couple of times.

Arslan – 6.0 – I really like watching him avoid defenders on the ball – he’s extremely clever and quick. Neither him nor Badelj helped the back four enough defensively, though.

Son – 2.5 – Remember how last week I was apologizing for having criticized him so much in the past? Well, the old Ryan is back with a vengeance this time. Terrible game. He doesn’t care about anything except shooting, seriously. Any other activity is a bore and he has little interest in it. Every time he received the ball, he would look up to see if he could shoot, ignore all of the players making runs in behind him, and basically walk slowly backwards until he passed to a CB or DM. He won 3 out of 20 duels today – that is embarrassing. Completely ruined the chances of many counterattacks.

Van der Vaart – 5.5 – A very subdued game from the man who enjoyed real success for Holland during the break. Was marked out of the first half completely, and then was forced to drop back and help control the passing game from a more reserved role. His free kicks were a bit listless, and his shots from distance were always right at the keeper.

Jiracek – 5.0 – Only played for one half and had a couple of halfway decent crosses, but really doesn’t add a lot in that position. Wasn’t awful, but a pointless addition to the offensive side. Why not just play a 4-3-1-2 if you want three CM’s and VdV out there? Only attempted two passes while on the pitch.

Rudnevs – 5.0 – Starved for service and generally didn’t do much besides get a goal disallowed for being offsides. Had three completed passes over 90 minutes of play. 3!

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Beister – 6.5 – Injected pace, creativity and a lovely shot in his half on the pitch. Repeatedly forced Ulreich into saves that he couldn’t quite handle. Attempted some nice through balls too – but like VdV was slowly forced into dropping back in order to get involved.

Berg – N/A – Dribbled past a player once but then just dribbled into another player directly after.

Scharner – N/A

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  • Mark |  October 22nd, 2012 at 5:03 am

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    Not the worst game I’ve ever seen by HSV, that’s for sure and if they could have pulled a goal back near the end I think the result would still have been pretty fair. I agree with your thoughts on Son – the commentator kept saying that he’s got his confidence back, but maybe that’s a bad thing because now he just thinks he can shoot all the time. Clearly he is a talented player, but he still has some growing to do to round out his game.

    Westermann made some nice tackles but he also made a lot of wayward passes too. You could say that about the whole team this week I suppose though. Overall I think he’s a solid player for HSV and I’m happy to have him on the team. Congrats for getting called up for the national team recently as well.

    I’m getting concerned about the lack of scoring overall. I actually think Rudnevs is coming along, because he did have a couple of nice chances this game even if he isn’t very involved otherwise, but maybe what they need is a more experienced striker who can come back and get involved in the play a bit more. Someone who can link up with VdV, who is always keen to have a shot on goal. Unfortunately I think the wallet is empty after the VdV deal, so we can’t expect to get another striker anytime soon. I think we’ll need to get used to some low-scoring affairs and hope Adler and the defence can stay solid.

    I hope for a better result on Friday in Augsburg!

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  • ryan |  October 22nd, 2012 at 6:47 am

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    Agree with everything Mark except that if HSV had snagged a goal that a draw would have been deserved – Holzhauer and Traore both should have scored, really. Especially Holzhauer. For me, HSV were fortunate not to have given up three goals. And they never really had a great chance – there was the offside goal and the Rudnevs / Son chance but that was kind of out of nowhere.

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  • Mark |  October 22nd, 2012 at 7:23 am

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    Well, that’s why we have Adler :)

    I still think HSV had a few decent goes at the goal. I don’t look at the stats but somehow Stuttgart’s goalkeeper was named in Goal.com’s team of the week. I didn’t think he made enough saves to warrant that, but there were a few.

    So worries – HSV can hopefully pick up some points on Friday and stay mid-table. 4th place would just be silly!

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  • Lance |  October 22nd, 2012 at 7:35 am

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    I agree with almost all of your ratings.. the only disagreement I’d have would be the rating of Westermann. If Son gets a 2.5, Westermann should get a 2.5. His passing was terrible for the entire 2nd half, and he gave away the ball so many times in the midfield after HSV had just gotten possession.

    I will say though, I wasn’t sure all season why you were so high on Beister – but after today, I’m fully on-board the Beister bandwagon. If he can get past his (well the whole team’s) knack of unnecessarily shooting from distance, he’s going to be something special.

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  • ryan_s |  October 22nd, 2012 at 1:21 pm

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    I don’t think Westermann was bad at all, he had a couple of dodgy moments but ended up with 9 interceptions – the second highest number for HSV was 3. He actually ended up with by far the highest HSV rating for whoscored’s statistical analysis of the game as well, for what it’s worth.
    Beister needs to improve, but I sure as heck think he’s better than Jiracek. It’s a shame that Ilicevic got injured just as he was beginning to show his talent as well.
    Also looking at whoscored’s look at the game, I see how much Son pushed into the center when on the ball and therefore how little Diekmeier pushed forward – his average positioning was barely ahead of Mancienne, unlike Jansen. Son and Diekmeier seem like they don’t understand each other’s way of playing, TBH.
    Honestly with the way the team is playing I don’t see why HSV does something crazy (for the Bundesliga) and do what Italy did at the Euros in a 4-3-1-2 – Son and Rudnevs as STs, VdV playing in behind them and then the three healthy CMs that we have. If Son or Rudnevs have bad games they can throw Beister in for more pace. Other thoughts?
    And to clarify, this is just because of all of the injuries / lack of effectiveness from the wingers.

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  • Mark |  October 23rd, 2012 at 5:48 am

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    Hey Ryan, at first I thought that 4-3-1-2 formation sounded kind of crazy because there’s no wingers in that plan, but thinking about it again you could easily send Jansen/Aogo and Diekmeier up the wings anyway, and allow the def mids to drop back to cover. These guys already like to get forward anyway, so why not?

    Maybe you should try to get a message through to Thorsten Fink about your idea. Is he on Twitter? :)

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  • Richard |  October 24th, 2012 at 8:49 am

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    Wingers can be marked fairly easily but if VdV is given a free-role he can drift into wide positions at the right moment to create 2 v 1’s or to receive the ball in space. In general, the players need to be a bit more fluid and interchange their positions.

    With regard to the Stuttgart game, HSV’s passing wasn’t up to scratch and a lot of balls went astray as Stuttgart pressed very hard. Thus, Stuttgart were consistently able to break the play up and counter attack. Dare I venture that HSV missed a strong centre-forward…like Guerrero…to hold the ball up and offer a target in the penalty area.

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  • Mark |  October 24th, 2012 at 11:29 am

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    Yes…respect for Guerrero!

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  • Mark |  October 27th, 2012 at 8:25 am

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    Good job HSV. Funny how Son has a good game after everytime you lambast him. Keep it up!

    Could Rudnevs and Son be the new Bundesliga scoring tandem?

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  • ryan |  November 2nd, 2012 at 12:48 pm

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    howdy ya’ll – sorry I didn’t post this past week, we got hit pretty hard by the hurricane! But you’d better believe I’m going to post after the Bayern game tomorrow. Nur der HSV! Maybe we can eek out a surprise, but I’m thinking that this somewhat overconfident side will get a stern reality check when it’s not Augsburg players trying to finish their open chances and instead it’s Toni Kroos or Franck Ribery.

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  • Mark |  November 2nd, 2012 at 4:26 pm

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    Hi Ryan, hope you and your family are alright! Same goes for everyone else on the east coast who reads this blog.

    I think Adler is going to need to use up a lot of nice saves if they want to win tomorrow.

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