Lessons From the Grownups

By: ryan_s | November 3rd, 2012
   

Today, Hamburg’s young and growing in confidence were given a stern reminder of how much further they need to go to really be playing with the big boys. Thorsten Fink changed to a 4-3-3 with Rincon, Badelj and Arslan all playing in CM roles which largely stifled Bayern’s flowing passing for the first half, but once the change after half time to their usual 4-2-3-1 took place, HSV were toyed with by Bayern. The scoreline ended at 3-0, with all of Bayern’s goals requiring real class, but the scoreline was not deceptive. Hamburg were a bit tricky to break down and even offered something going forward (usually through Van der Vaart or one of the midfielders, not Son or Beister), but in the end they were outclassed. Dennis Diekmeier, Maxi Beister and Son all were given a reality check after strong recent weeks.

Sad Van

Sad Van

I called last week for a change to a 4-3-1-2 given HSV’s lack of options out wide, as well as the fact that Beister and Son usually play more like forwards than wingers anyway. This sort of took place, even if it was 4-3-3 with VdV given the most license to wander around up front, and Bayern were largely stifled in the first half. HSV retained possession reasonably well and had some decent moments going forward, but they were always thwarted by the always willing (but lacking any clever ball tricks) Beister running into Lahm. David Alaba and Franck Ribery were enjoying themselves against Dennis Diekmeier, who was constantly chasing shadows. Diekmeier is often the fastest man on the pitch, but both Ribery and Alaba are incredibly quick and so he was unable to make up for his positioning like he usually can. But it was only after an HSV corner that things unraveled late in the first half – Bayern countered effectively, and a lovely diving header by Bastian Schweinsteiger made it 1-0.

After the break, HSV needed a goal and so took off Tomas Rincon and put on Artjoms Rudnevs. With the midfield a bit more open, Bayern took over the game. HSV’s backline went from organized to spilled milk in a matter of minutes, Adler got beaten by a lovely Müller chip when he stormed out of goal, and Toni Kroos nearly split the goal in two with a ferocious shot to make it 3-0. After that, Bayern were content to sit back and let HSV pass around the back.

Player Ratings

Adler – 6.5 – Made some absolutely world class saves and distributed the ball very well amongst a pretty short HSV front line, but will perhaps be regretting his over aggressive charge on Müller when there were defenders near him anyway. Could do nothing about either of the other classy Bayern goals.

Diekmeier – 4.0 – Has been growing in form and confidence, but entered a world of pain when trying to defend against Alaba and Ribery – a combination of pace and dribbling that might be the best left side in the world. Picked up a yellow when Alaba was getting by him, and was not effective going forward. To give him some credit, he did usually make up for his getting initially beaten by blocking many crosses and never letting Ribery get completely by him.

Mancienne – 5.0 – Had a number of very good interceptions, but as I have said before about him, is really lacking in size and physicality and was beaten aerially by Mandzukic far too many times. Was looking out to sea on a number of second half exchanges, especially when Kroos got by him for his thundering goal. Had some very poor long passes.

Westermann – 5.5 – Like Mancienne, was very good in the first half, but failed to keep things organized when things were falling apart in the second half. Was picked on a lot less by Bayern’s Mandzukic, something that must have been by design. Did well aerially and had some nice passes and some bad ones.

Jansen – 6.0 – Gets a slightly higher nod for keeping Müller and Lahm pretty quiet on his side – Müller’s goal came on the other side of the pitch. Also had a moment of real quality in the 12th minute when he beat a couple of defenders and sent an excellent pass to VdV who’s shot was blocked.

Arslan – 5.5 – Neat and tidy as always in possession, and had some very nice passes, but was defensively ineffective once HSV went to a 4-2-3-1.

Badelj – 6.0 – Like Arslan, was good on the ball and evaded some tackles with his quick footwork. Defended better than Arslan, and was one of the HSV players who didn’t look outclassed by what really is an absolutely ridiculous Bayern team.

Rincon – 6.0 – Had a pretty good first start of the year, doing his usual crunching tackles with aplomb as well as hitting a fabulous effort from about 30 yards. Was a questionable casualty at the break as HSV looked to equalize.

Beister – 3.0 – Was always looking for the ball and wanted to help out, but really looked like someone who has only played in second Bundesliga today. Against arguably the world’s best full back, he could get very little going and was loose with his dribbling too many times.

Van der Vaart – 6.0 – Tried and tried to will something to happen on offense, and had a couple of reasonable shots on target, but could never find his moment of magic. Was starved of help from Son and Beister. Had some frustrated looking fouls.

Son – 3.5 – Had his nice goal and game last week after I ripped him, so of course this week he was non-existent. Put in some defensive work, but did very little in attack. For large parts of the game, I wasn’t even sure if he was on the pitch. Does not excel in the kind of game that Bayern’s defense plays, which meant that on counters he should have passed across the field rather than pass short or shoot.

Subs

Rudnevs – 5.0 – Was starved of support and was therefore put into a situation where he needed to try and dribble past three or four defenders at once – which he didn’t embarrass himself on, though he could only get by one defender to run into another. Would have much preferred that he came on straight for Beister at half time.

Aogo – 5.0 – Came on to let Jansen go into a more advanced role, but didn’t really do anything. It was nice to see him out there, even if there was a sense of ‘we’ve already lost’ about his constant back passing.

It’s no surprise that HSV lost to this fabulous Bayern side, and really all of Bayern’s goals required individual class, but it’s still disappointing. A tricky but far more manageable trip to Freiburg awaits next weekend – hopefully the HSV youngsters can take this as a lesson learned.


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  • Mark |  November 19th, 2012 at 5:56 am

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    Happy to see HSV pick up another 3 points against Mainz this weekend. The games may not be too exciting, but I like that the team is playing much better defensively and can hang on to slender leads to get a win or a draw. I think that’s a big improvement on last season. Keep it up HSV!

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  • ryan |  November 27th, 2012 at 7:48 am

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    Sorry I haven’t posted in forever – just doesn’t seem like anyone is reading anymore! Anyway HSV’s offense is awful, and it will be interesting to see how it does without Son and VdV. VdV is a huge loss either way, but the absence of slow on the ball and then get dispossessed Son (but who also has scored half of HSV’s goals) should be interesting.

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  • Eric |  November 28th, 2012 at 4:30 am

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    Nice home win for HSV (HSV 3:1 S04)! Rooting for a solid December to get Europe in the conversation for die Rückrunde.

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  • Mark |  November 28th, 2012 at 7:38 pm

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    What a great game for Hamburg. Beister was on fire. Some really good ball-winning and tight passing by HSV. Nice way to bounce back after Dusseldorf!

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  • Jazon |  November 29th, 2012 at 7:11 am

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    Happy to read new comments on this blog again. It seems that our not so clever coach was forced to set up new diamond formation and as for result we have seen the best game in the past few seasons. Hope that Beister got self-confidence now and continue to play on the wing at this level.
    As for me Son may go to the middle or (prefer) to Liverpool for 10 mio, along with Rudnews, and we would acquire really potent striker like Bobadilla.

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  • ryan |  November 29th, 2012 at 7:33 am

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    I actually kind of like Rudnevs, but Son can leave whenever he wants. His breaking up of any quick attack whenever he can’t shoot from distance by halfheartedly passing it backwards to a CB was not missed. He may have scored six of HSV’s first 12 goals, but maybe VdV or Beister or Badelj would have scored more with better and quicker distribution, and HSV would have had 15 goals in total?
    Fink did very well tactically in this game.

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  • Mark |  November 29th, 2012 at 7:50 am

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    Anyone else think that Badelj is one of the revelations of HSV this season? I think he has made a huge impact on the team by both solidifying the midfield and bringing vision and great passing from the back. I have to give a lot of credit to Arslan as well. What a difference for him this year. He gets angry pretty easily and picks up too many yellow cards for his rashness, but he has certainly found a good role in the team. Oh, I also thought Skjelbred had a great game filling in for VdV. A very pleasant surprise.

    I’m also happy with Rudnevs and sometimes Son. Rudnevs looks to be getting comfortable in the Bundesliga and he puts in a lot of effort. Son, well he is just Son. I think he’ll score more goals this season, but maybe Beister is a better option up front now. Unfortunately I think I’m finally ready to give up on Marcus Berg. He looked pretty lost in Dusseldorf. Rudnevs is definitely a better fit for this team. I hope Arnesen can find another club for Berg where he can get more playing time and improve his game. Maybe he should go to the MLS?

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  • Jazon |  November 30th, 2012 at 3:41 am

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    I was not a big fan of Badelj but he turned out to be among our best DM’s in the recent years so far. He has been little downward last few games but this new formation suited him very well and allows him to expoit his very good passing skill.
    I think that it is the right time to get rid of Son for large money, if possible, and get a serious striker. Rudnews is nice, make lot of effort and has some sense of goal but also has complete lack of techique and deficiency in the air despite of his robustness. I would give him on loan in 2nd league to prove himself and then deside.

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  • Malena |  December 19th, 2012 at 10:44 am

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    Oenning should have been let go when he told his team to watch out for Klose beofre the Bayern match. Fink has HSV playing much, much better. I thought they were a lock for relegation, but if they can survive the brutal start to the second half of the season (includes Dortmund, Bayern, Moenchengladbach and Bremen in the first six games), they should finish midtable. And I’ll take that after the horrible start. Nice job Isabell!

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