

Season Preview
By: ryan_s | August 22nd, 2012The season begins this coming weekend as HSV kick off the beginning of their Bundeslga campaign. As we all remember, it looked questionable as to if HSV would suffer the indignation of kicking off in the 2. Bundesliga this year, but after a tumultuous campaign last season, they begin anew. Things are off to a bad start though, as a very poor showing (especially defensively) against third league side Karlsruhe resulted in an embarrassing 4-2 loss and dropping out of the German cup in the first round. It wasn’t the most embarrassing result of the round (cough Hoffenheim), but it didn’t go a long way towards having everyone be pumped about the new season.

Sad Hamburgers
Coach
Thorsten Fink is a highly respected coach, and his time with Basel was very impressive. He promised attractive football upon his arrival in Hamburg, but the relegation battle seems to have changed that a bit and HSV have never scored more than 2 goals against a top league side, even in friendlies. He has moved away from the 4-4-2 that he initially employed and is now going with the more Bundesliga friendly 4-2-3-1. He’s also removed the dropping back of one of the DM’s into a pseudo CB role to distribute from (Rincon had that duty, mostly), though still employs the fullbacks relatively high up the pitch when in possession. He has come under pressure since Hamburg aren’t making particularly stark progress, but has deflected that by not having Milan Badelj and a new no. 10 at his disposal, as well as (perhaps more importantly) the fact that the off season was spent mostly practicing defensive tactics and they are now just getting into offensive tactics. HSV are currently incredibly slow in their buildup play, which will need to change. We’ll see…
Goalie
René Adler has come in and displaced perfectly good Jaroslav Drobny between the posts. Adler, when healthy, is one of the better goalies in the world. He showed some rust in the Karlsruhe game, as he parried a relatively simple save right back into the field of play (Joe Hart disease) but has looked convincing in other preseason games. If he can get back to his form before his injuries, then this move will eventually look very good. If he is no better than Drobny, than his wages could have been spent elsewhere. Either way, he’s a German international and gives HSV a ’star’.
Defense
The defense has looked to be coming around, but questions still surround it given how young the back four will be. Paul Scharner was an excellent, bargain deal and he will add quality and experience as well as depth. Michael Mancienne has looked good this preseason, and definitely is quite pacey for a CB, even if he isn’t particularly big. Jeffery Bruma is… continuing to develop, but man does he get caught wildly out of position at times. Not one for thinking quickly when a complicated counter attack is coming at him. Perhaps he gets this from Dennis Aogo, who ranges from being highly rated as a dependable attacking fullback to overrated as he often fails to cover his side of the field on defense. He’s also been connected with a move to Lazio, but I would be surprised if HSV let him leave. Finally there’s the RB battle between Zhi Gin Lam and Dennis Diekmeier – I had initially thought that Diekmeier was a shoe-in, and that the only chance he would not play was if Bruma was slotted out wide. But Lam has quickly impressed Fink at the fullback position, and even started the Pokal game there. I personally like Diekemeier, as he adds pace and a cross that actually finds people in the box (unlike Aogo), but Lam did have a very nice chip pass to Beister that lead to a goal against KSC.
Midfield
At defensive midfield, Heiko Westermann will be plying his trade rather than at his old position of center back. The HSV captain adds a lot to defensive midfield – he helps to shield the young back line with his fantastic tackle rate, is usually dominant in the air, and covers a lot of ground both on offense and defense. He’s also a very good long-ball passer, and can hit the target from distance with ferocity. What he lacks there is experience at the position, as well as dribbling. In tight situations (high up the field in attack) he usually can’t stop the ball from being intercepted simply because he can’t keep the ball glued to his feet like others can. He needs a partner in crime to make up for this. That will come when Milan Badelj, a deep lying play maker, comes in (which is soon!). Meanwhile, with Kacar and Tomas Rincon both injured, Per Skjelbred has been starting most games and friendlies. He hasn’t done poorly, and has added the occasional good pass in attack. The problem is that he would work much better in a 4-3-3 formation as a CM allowed to roam around, but with him being a DM it’s just not great. Hasn’t been bad, and has specifically requested to stay at HSV rather than be sold.

Heiko creepily smiles over the though of playing DM
The wings are where HSV have the most quality, and where they let Ghökan Töre leave. Even without him, they have veteran Marcel Jansen, quality all around player Ivo Ilicevic, rising star Maximilian Beister and Heung Min Son, who is constantly tipped to start breaking out and scoring goals for fun but hasn’t yet. Jansen will most likely get a lot of starts over Ilicevic, which is fine really as Ivo is pretty good at coming off the bench and making a difference, and Jansen adds defensive help as well as power on the wing. Beister looks to be the real deal – scored a nice goal against Karlsruhe and recently scored twice for Germany’s U-21 against Argentina. Can’t wait to see how he does this year. Son continues to get plenty of playing time, and was clearly favored over Töre (as well as slowly being a bigger part of HSV’s marketing strategy), but continues to make poor decisions on the ball and simply be too slow with his decision making. He can do it all when he has his thinking cap on though – dribble, shoot with power and curve, head, and even help decently on defense (much more so than Beister). Lacks a footballing brain, still. I want to start seeing some results from him this year, even if he is still very young. Jacopo Sala is also decent player who can fill in multiple spots on the field, all of which he will not be first in line for. Decent but somewhat unexciting, his volley against Bayern last year notwithstanding.
Attack
(I’m also including the CF spot here) Right now the big question if who will fill the no. 10 spot for HSV this season. There have been many rumors (including renewed talks with a certain Dutch Tottenham player), but nobody has come in yet. This leaves HSV with Tolgay Arslan, who isn’t bad but still is learning at the highest level, and then a host of people slightly out of position. Jansen started there against Karlsuhe and did decently, and Robert Tesche has even played there in friendlies (no thank you). This all goes on behind the two strikers HSV have in their squad – flop til’ now Marcus Berg, and new comer Latvian Artjoms Rudnevs. Rudnevs had a nervy preseason, and will need plenty of time to adjust to life in a stronger league than the Polish one. Berg is a halfway decent player, but most of that comes from his intelligence. He’s not fast, isn’t spectacular in the air, and isn’t particularly good at dribbling. In other words, the striker area is a problem (we miss you already, Mladen Petric of FC Fulham). Hamburg have struggled to score goals in the past year, and if they start scoring goals now, it will most likely be through Beister and Jansen rather than Berg.
SO – what does this all add up to? A pretty young and mediocre team. The team has neither stuck to it’s youth only initiative nor to it’s old ways of paying lots of money for experienced players. This leaves the team to be somewhat odd feeling, even though it’s still more of a youth project than anything else. The continuing practice of offensive tactics under Fink should help, as his Basel team was an attacking side, as should the addition of Badelj and a no.10. If it’s VdV, then HSV move up a notch in quality. If it’s a lesser caliber player who’s more of a youngster, then the immediate results will be little and the attack will continue to struggle. One would think that this team is indeed slightly better suited for the season than last year’s, and that another relegation battle will not be a season long affair (though there could be some problems with the tough schedule from matchday 4-6 in the year). The first three games are against Nürnberg, new look Werder Bremen (who also were knocked out of the cup) and freshly promoted Eintracht Frankfurt. Some positives out of those games will make the coming Borussia games easier to handle, as well as make the season much more positive in general.

I like these practice shirts
Season prediction:
The team shouldn’t ship as many goals as last year, but the attack isn’t going to light anybody up with any consistency. HSV are miles away from Bayern and Dortmund, and not really close to the quality of squads like Schalke, Leverkusen, Wolfsburg, Gladbach, Hannover, Stuttgart or Hoffenheim (though all but Schalke are filled with tons of new players). That being said, Bremen could either be quite good or quite bad, Freiburg, Augsburg, Frankfurt, Düsseldorf, Nürnberg, Mainz and Greuther Fürth are no better on paper than Hamburg. So what do I say? I say a 10th place finish, though things could get hairy at times. What are your thoughts?
Hamburg take on FC Nürnberg on Saturday to kick off their year of celebrations. Let’s hope it continues with the tradition that is HSV – consistency in the top flight. Don’t kill Dino Hermann!
Comments
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Very good and comprehensive preview Ryan! I think 10th place might be a bit too optimistic, but I would certainly be happy with that. I think Berg will be an alright striker, but it sure hurts to not have the experience of Petric and Guerrero this year. (Although I think that Petric looked slow and on the decline last year).
Overall though, I am worried that Hamburg is missing something to bind the team together, and I’m not sure if its the lack of a creative attacking midfielder, but it could be. When you look at all the positions and the players they have available, it doesn’t look too bad, but overall I just don’t think the team is good enough. Unless they somehow begin to gel and begin to anticipate runs, etc. to make things happen.
They really do need to spend some money on a few proven players, because I think the youth rebuild route that was so successful for Dortmund is a very very rare occurrence, and maybe Frank Arnesen had too much faith in that idea and it could majorly backfire. This isn’t like hockey, basketball, etc. where you can languish at the bottom of the league for several years and get the best draft picks. HSV are in a very unique position – they need to keep the Dinosaur alive! Relegation is absolutely unacceptable, and the repercussions will fundamentally change everything the team is about.
Sorry to be so dramatic, but I think its time that the HSV board realizes this and finds some money and approves some big transfers. Come on Arnesen – its time to prove that you are right for this job. Bring us some new players!
OK, rant over. Good luck HSV!


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Hey Mark – I realize how optimistic 10th place is, but I’m counting in a strong second half. I think the first half could be really hairy at times. Van der Vaart is back in the mix though, as he reportedly is willing to sacrifice his wages in order to get back in an HSV jersey. The transfer fee would be where someone like Kühne comes in. Badelj should help, as well as when Rincon and Kacar comes back. The CF spot needs to be filled, if that’s not (especially if also not in December). I really think we should do better than the teams I mentioned above, hence why I give HSV 10th.


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Also – 10th, 11th, or 12th. Definitely no higher!


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I hope you’re right! By the way, I think there are 5 Bundesliga games on Gol TV this weekend! But not Hamburg of course. I heard that Gol TV lost the La Liga rights, so maybe it will mean they’ll be forced to place more emphasis on the Bundesliga just to have enough content. Sounds good to me!


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I originally thought this team could place somewhere between 6-10, but with the current guys in place, I’m seeing more of a low teens ending.
I will say though, after watching a few of the preseason games, it really seemed (like Mark said) the team was missing someone who could connect the team. It’s so obvious that a 10, who can link play from the back to the front and from side to side, is absolutely absent right now on this team. If they get a legit guy who fills this role (which it sounds like they will), I fully believe they have the quality to finish in that 6-10 range. If not, I feel like it’s going to be a struggle all season.


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Thanks, Ryan, and I look forward to your coverage of the upcoming season. I can’t imagine HSV having as horrendous of start this season as they did last season. It should be fun to watch Beister develop as a player this season.
By the way, after seeing that Petric scored twice on a team coached by Martin Jol, all I could do is bury my face in my hands and think of what could have been.


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First, a big hat tip to Ryan for a comprehensive & insightful overview of the current team. Many thanks!
Second, I wanted to enter a prediction for the season: With the current line-up, I think that HSV is in for a season-long relegation battle.
My (probably crazy prediction) is that the battle will have the following features for HSV: (a) big problems creating and converting chances — they could have the lowest goal-scoring total in the league, (b) bizarre defensive lapses that lead to painful and senseless goals, (c) very little of what our German friends call Bissigkeit and Kampfgeist (the type of hard play, like that of Nigel DeJong & Khalid Boulahrouz in the good days that intimidates opponents and the type of tireless play, determination, and fight that Magath would like to instill in all of his teams).
I hope that I am wrong, but all of these things seem lacking at the moment. Perhaps Badelj, Van der Vaart (dare we dream?) Petr Jiracek, or another “#10″ added between now and Saturday could fix these problems (actually, I think that the US’s Landon Donovan would be perfect for this team, if he had the energy and chutzpah to play in Germany this season). Perhaps Scharner can infuse the team with a killer spirit. Perhaps Arslan will develop into the next Oezil. We can hope.
But from what I’ve seen so far, the glass seems more empty than full at the moment. Herr Kuehne & Herr Arnesen, the ball’s on your half of the pitch…


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Thanks for everyone’s kind words – this one took a while to write. Also I’d like to let everyone know that I will be writing a recap of every game (so long as I’m able to watch it) with player ratings, like last year.
For all of the people that are incredibly pessimistic about a relegation battle, I do think that for the first 8 to 12 games, there will be some sorry scorelines. But do you think that HSV are worse than Fürth, Nürnberg, Frankfurt, Düsseldorf, Freiburg, even Mainz? Should be considerably better than those teams, especially as the team settles in more and Fink has more time to practice offense with them. 10th is somewhat optimistic, but I don’t think 12th is anything but reasonable.

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The man is confident


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Ryan is confident and has thoughtful reasons for being confident.
I absolutely agree that 12th is completely reasonable and 10th is more likely than 16-18. HSV should have more talent than each of the teams Ryan mentioned, with the possible exception of Frankfurt (where former HSV-er Meier would be an upgrade at the “10″ and Hoffer, Idrissou, & Matmour seem to be better goalscorers than Berg & Rudnevs). But even so, HSV has a more talented overall lineup than Eintracht.
I question HSV’s heart, fitness, and organization and think that the pressure, which seems great enough that Aogo is already whining about it, might have a greater negative impact on HSV than on the other bottom-half-of-the-table teams. Also, the club managerial environment since Beiersdorfer’s exit has been something between tumultuous and toxic. Fights between Jarchow & Kühne or Arnesen & Fink could spill over to the field.
Most of all, though, I’m just whiny. (After all, I am from Philadelphia, where, with the exception of one grand baseball season in 2008, my favorite teams have fallen short in >100 seasons since 1983.) Ryan is probably more likely to be right than I am. I’m bracing for the worst in that hope that I can be positively surprised.
Save the Dino!


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I totally get the pessimism – but here’s something to get your heart aflutter. Apparently both Mopo and Abendblatt have reported that HSV are close to getting both Jiracek AND Van der Vaart. Hmmmmm. Pretty interesting looking team with them both in it…
Still pretty crappy striking core though.

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Wow, the possible VdV transfer is getting reported everywhere. Come on HSV, don’t screw this up!!!


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HSV have got to forget the Pokal performance and get a win in the first league game. A run of poor results will be disastrous for this inexperienced side whereas an unexpected run of good results will do wonders for them. Goals from midfield will be the key. In the past, only Jansen has weighed in with enough goals so this needs to change (the midfielders have to be allowed to run off the front men). Providing the supply is there, Berg and Son can get goals too. The whole thing will hinge on how the team fares in the first few weeks.


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Game over. HSV loses, deservedly, 1-0 to a low-talent Nürnberg team. Some bad luck involved. Mainly, though, a passionless, boring, poorly coordinated team playing at home against a less-talented but better organized road team.
The only guys who looked to me like they belonged were Jansen, Westermann, Beister, and Adler. Mancienne usually plays fine, but continues to have a few moments each game when he forgets his brain. Balitsch was completely alone in front of Adler on the goal. Completely alone.
Son & Skjelbred are completely useless. Aogo does not seem too interested anymore. Sala and Berg seem to try, but are completely ineffective. Diekmeier is just running around.
The young guys look like they will make one or two big errors each game that lead to easy goals. Without anyone to score, they’ll probably lose a bunch of games just like today.
It’s a mess. Perhaps they were trying to convince Kühne to open his wallet for VdV. If so, the day was a success. If not, this may be the first of 30+ weekends of frustration…


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Here’s some stats and trends for you baelabsl fantasy players today. When OAKLAND team played as a Road team Playing on Friday Vs Non Division Opponent Coming off a Loss vs. AL EAST opponent Coming off a lost in game 3 of a series.SU Record: 8-7-0O/U/P Record: 2-13-0 When SEATTLE team Played as Home team as a Favorite During a night game Vs. Right handed pitchers Coming off a Win vs. AL EAST opponent Allowed 1 runs AGAINST in their last game.SU Record: 10-1-0O/U/P Record: 7-4-0 When ATLANTA team played as a Road team Vs. Right handed pitchers Before a non division game Allowed 3 runs AGAINST in their last game Coming off a Road loss as a Underdog.SU Record: 8-8-0O/U/P Record: 12-2-2 When NY METS team played as a -140 to -160 home Favorite After a conference game During the month of June.SU Record: 6-10-0O/U/P Record: 14-2-0 When TEXAS team Played as road team as a Underdog 1st game of a series During the 2008 season.SU Record: 5-6-0O/U/P Record: 9-2-0 When LOS ANGELES team played as a road team During a night game Vs AL CENTRAL opponent.SU Record: 4-8-0O/U/P Record: 2-9-1 When CLEVELAND team Played as home team as a Favorite Last 5 years Vs NL WEST opponent.SU Record: 10-2-0O/U/P Record: 6-6-0 DETROIT When ANY MLB Team played as a -120 to -140 Home Favorite Playing on Friday After a conference game During a night game Coming off a 1 run win Coming off a Win vs. AL CENTRAL opponent.SU Record: 8-8-0O/U/P Record: 13-2-1 NY METS When ANY MLB Team played as a -140 to -160 Home Favorite Last 2 years After a conference game Vs Non Division Opponent Coming off a Home loss as a Favorite Scored 4 or more runs FOR in their last game Coming off vs. Right handed pitcher.SU Record: 16-3-0O/U/P Record: 7-11-1














